This Won't Teach You Anything: A Pop Culture Podcast
This Won't Teach You Anything: A Pop Culture Podcast
The Twenty-Fourth Show! Top Gun: Maverick - Part three
Prepare for takeoff as we journey through the cinematic marvel, Top Gun Maverick, in a podcast episode like no other. We dissect the gripping character development and the writers' masterful integration of Val Kilmer's real-life throat cancer into the plot, which forms a ticking time bomb that fuels the narrative tension. Listen closely as we appreciate the craft behind this high-flying narrative, the behind-the-scenes efforts, the staggering amount of footage shot, and the indomitable will it took to produce this record-breaking box office hit.
As the episode unfolds, we navigate through the plot intricacies, the characters' challenging decisions, and the film's shift in tone from an intense mission narrative to a buddy comedy. We honor the bravery of military personnel who put their lives on the line for a mission. Revel in the sound design and mixing that created an immersive experience and the well-placed humor in this PG-13 movie. We also marvel at the hero moments given to Hangman and Rooster, building a bridge between Maverick and Rooster towards the end of the film.
Join us as we relive movie experiences and the power of a full theatre, contemplating on the joy that a resonating film provides. We reflect on the 36-year gap between the original and sequel, the tonal shift, and the deep-rooted meaning that made this film unforgettable. Finally, we entertain the idea of a third Top Gun movie and debate what it could mean for the original. Strap in, our exploration of Top Gun Maverick is nothing short of a thrilling ride!
And just like that we are back. It's been nearly a year. It seems to be what I tend to do. A lot of that is well. The whole thing isn't intentional. It's just my schedule picks up and it becomes really tough to go ahead and and balance life and work and the podcast. But I'm so glad to be back, uh, glad for each of you, and I can see by the subscribers and the listen count that a lot of you have stuck with me and I do appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1:Uh, where we left off on the last episode was part two of our epic three part discussion on Top Gun Maverick with my good friend, jake Gehringer, and we're going to pick up right where we left off, where we were discussing the task that Maverick had in front of him, which was to form these group of hotshot pilots into a team, something very foreign to him, as throughout the movie you feel that he was just never comfortable being a teacher. Um, he was still. Just. He just wanted to be a pilot. He says it in there he's a pilot.
Speaker 1:And so Jake and I were right in the middle of that discussion and let's go ahead and pick that up right now with the team aspect, it's done really well to go ahead and show the mountain that he has to climb, to go ahead and get these guys to be able to function together as a team. The other side of that, while he's trying to do that, you really get the feeling, as you know, you're reintroduced to Val Kilmer's Iceman. Right and when, when you catch up with him and the first scene with him, you realize that he's had cancer and so you know he goes back there, maverick goes to his house and talks to his wife and you realize at this point that the cancer is terminal and there's there's nothing they're going to be able to do for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just a matter of time and it's unfortunate, and they knew that it was. It was something like this and it's coming back and it's, it's. It's as Hitchcock would describe it it's the ticking bomb under the table and we all know that that bomb is going to go off at some point. But the tension rises when you don't know when that's going to happen. Yeah, and who's?
Speaker 1:going to I don't know, and who's going to be at the table right. You know what's going to happen there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And and how the all, the all, the uh circumstances around that are going to fall into place? And what's that does with Maverick? Because he's supposed to be out as soon as he, val Kilmer, his, his, um, um, saving grace is gone, then that means he's out as well, right, so he's got to protect him anymore.
Speaker 1:Right, and so you really get the feeling that that Iceman is, while Maverick's, trying to put this team together and teach these kids. You really get the feeling that Iceman's trying to teach Maverick. You know the same thing he's trying to teach these kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know right, it's so good, I mean it's, it's, it's so much into that and, um, it was done really smart, you get, you really got to. You know, tip your cap to to the writers. They came up with this because, um, you know, for those who don't know, val Kilmer really did have throat cancer, yeah, and so he's basically lost the ability to speak.
Speaker 3:Did you get a chance to watch that documentary?
Speaker 1:I did Yep, yeah, it's fantastic. Heart wrenching to watch that.
Speaker 3:Yep, so well done. It gives you such a different perspective on somebody who was, you know, allegedly hard to work with, and I mean he's got the. He's got the receipts, as they're saying today.
Speaker 3:he's got the receipts because he was filming all these things and how he was feeling at those times, so it was great to be able to see those things and then, on top of dealing with the health that he never had to deal with before, and then bringing that depth into the character, where he knows that he has a voice and wants to be able to speak as a performer. And now that is gone, but you can still emote without speaking. And they did that so well and handled it with such grace, to put him. I mean he, I mean he looked great, I mean it's, he's got hair I wish I had for sure.
Speaker 3:I wish I had hair, but for them to put him in that light, I thought it was done so classy. It was really really well done yeah.
Speaker 1:And, and you know, with technology it's funny because with this film, one of the things that that has been mentioned about it is part of what maybe drew so many people into this, because this is is I don't think any of us could have gone ahead and expected that this film would be the juggernaut.
Speaker 1:it was, oh, not by the long reach you know this should have been one of those that it can go either good or it can go bad. Right, Is it just a cash grab and you know, has it been too long? Yeah, this thing went into all time box office records.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean far, far, far beyond what's up, and then, yeah, it's into like the top 10 of all time when it comes to domestic gross, which which is just absolutely, just absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1:Nobody saw this coming, except probably Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise just sitting back.
Speaker 3:It was like I told you, so I mean release it into theater.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean it is, and so you know you, you have that again, that decision to go ahead and release in the theater and it just speaks to you know so many things, going back, like I said, to the technology, of how much maybe people are actually hungering for something that's not just the CGI action fest, yeah.
Speaker 3:Because they were doing it in camera right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, the, the, the, the, the F 18 scenes. So the main planes that they're teaching within here were all rented from the government, and at something crazy like $10,000 an hour is what the rental fees were on these jets.
Speaker 3:I only know one person with that rate, and that's you. Oh, that's right. Well worth it though. Yeah, so has it been hesitate to call rude the top gun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I, I need a call sign. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so you have to ask. Or or your brother, the yeah, so yeah, they. They've rented these planes from the Navy, essentially at at I believe it was 10,. The rate was around $10,000 an hour to go ahead and do this, and they use the, the two-seater versions, which in the film in the mission where they go at the end you had the single seat versions that that Maverick flew and and Rooster flew, and then the, the ones with the, the, the weapons specialists were the two-seaters, so you had Phoenix and Bob, and payback and and fanboy were in the two-seaters. Well, the scenes were all filmed with the two-seater, where the pilot of the jet would sit in the front and all the cameras were set to the second seat, but it's still the camera view looked like they were flying the plane, but that's interesting because, yeah, they, they, they took classes to learn how to handle G forces and they were in. The actors were in these planes, which is something that did not happen in the first top gun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were using the, the actual pilots, to be able to do that in the first one and using the footage and it wasn't there wasn't much in the in the cockpit like they are in this one.
Speaker 3:They are all over that. And they had like six cameras in there. I heard the director talking about how they talked to the, the pilots, and were like pointing out things in the cockpit and was like do you need that to fly? No, take it out, put a camera in. No, do you need this navigation thing? No, you don't need that to fly, take it out, put a camera in. So they were flying up there with, I think, six cameras in there in each one of them that they were doing the reaction and there's no like monitors that the director is like right there in the jet next to it. They had to do all this footage and then come down and then they would project it up for everybody to see, like the acting, whether or not they could use it or not. So they were doing these dailies as they would come down and be like, well, we got to go back up there tomorrow or we got to go in the next couple of hours to be able to get the shot.
Speaker 1:And that that very much is old school filmmaking, to where you couldn't go ahead and just see the shot right after you did it. You had to go ahead and do all this stuff, then go review the dailies and then figure out what you needed to get the next day, Just like you said.
Speaker 3:I heard this fact about how much shooting they did. Do you know how much?
Speaker 1:I read probably the same article. I don't have the numbers.
Speaker 3:I knew it was something crazy 813 hours of footage, which a couple of fact was from that. So 813 hours of footage is if you would put hour to hour to hour to watch it back to back, it would take 33 days to get through just the footage. 33 days watching it straight, no break. So that should tell you. And also that that footage for Top Gun Maverick is more than the Lord of the Rings combined. What they shot for it, what they shot for the Lord. I mean extra stuff. There are four hour cuts of Lord of the Rings, each one and one shot more than that combined.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that speaks to your point of with them going up there. They just had to lay stuff down up there and they did have to review all 800 plus hours of this footage to see what they had to see. You know how to put it together and again, you know a test. Just again, hats off to the actors. You know if it's hard to go ahead and and do blue screen work, I mean this is essentially the same type of thing. I mean, no, there's no planes blowing up. You know out there that they're reacting to and, first off, they can't see in front of them. Because if you, if you Google an image search and you look at what the cockpit looked like with these cameras like there's a stack of them right up above eye level to where they they would be able to see out the front of them. It's just insane the amount of things that these actors I'm sure never have had to act their way out of.
Speaker 3:And, like you said, they're pulling G's up there. So the physicality of that, I mean it's it is throwing you back and forth and it's like, like Tom Cruise said, in that it feels like an elephant sitting on your chest as you're pushing nine G's up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. It's absolutely insane the amount, and that was one of the things aside from the story and Tom Cruise's interest in doing a sequel. Another thing was being able to it. It sounds very familiar with George Lucas said about doing the prequel movies and having the technology available to go ahead and make the movie that they wanted, and so that supposedly was one of the things that Tom Cruise wanted to do. He didn't want to go ahead and shoot the same way to where they did all the the cockpit work in a studio. He wanted to go ahead. One of the things that you'll notice between the two films is how much talking they do in the first film without the masks on so you could see the actor's face and you could see their mouths and all that kind of stuff. A real pilot. When I was watching some behind the scenes stuff, you can go on YouTube and get reactions from people so they have, like there's one you can find where there's a fighter pilot reaction to top gun.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, ok.
Speaker 1:And then he'll sit there and they'll show a scene and then he'll talk about well, in this scene you know that is something that would happen, or this, this would never happen in real life. And so one of the things that they mentioned were yeah, if you're up flying, you're not going to have that mask off, and it's not because it's it's hard to breathe at some points, it's because you can't hear anything. Nobody could hear you talk. That's why the mask is important, one for the oxygen. If you're like in a situation where the G forces and you need you're up too high, you need the oxygen, but it's that it's so loud the mic in there has to be closed so that they can talk, so that if you notice in this one anytime that they've got those masks on, they're in a real jet.
Speaker 1:Now they make a point in this again. You know there's several throwbacks or callbacks, easter eggs, to the first film, and one of them is, you know, when they're briefing Maverick on on the mission and they show him the satellite imagery and they mention these fifth gen generation fighters and what's on this airfield that they can expect in way of adversaries coming towards them once they drop these Tomahawk missiles in. It's going to stir up the Hornets nest. They've got it. They're using those Tomahawks to hit the airfield so they can't scramble jets to get into the air. Yeah, and they go through the list. You know there's these jets here and then they, and just again a little throwaway.
Speaker 1:But you know, here we're going to spoon feed you a little bit Some old F 14 fighters. Well, the F 14, the Tomcat was the main, the main fighter that was in the original top gun. So that comes back in a big way. They'll not get, yeah. So, or what's that exactly? Well, one of the things is there are no more F 14s in the US are arsenal that are that are used, are all retired, yeah. So those scenes with an F 14 are CGI model work or in the studio with it. So you'll see when they take off and the masks aren't, aren't on a couple of times. And it's a good throwback because it's in scenes with you've got Maverick in the in the front seat, yeah, and you got Rooster in the jump seat, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, just like his dad. Yeah, in the rear, yeah, yeah, a little little thing there, but again there's. There's not a ton of computer aided imagery. Yeah.
Speaker 3:In this film you know there's some CGI there. I watched one of those videos as well, and it was talking about how one of the planes that was in in the back did some kind of role that they're like oh yeah, they got to do that in reverse, because you don't just roll up next to them like that.
Speaker 3:It was like you can roll out but you don't roll up next to in the wingman position or the I think they called it the fingertip position. So that was interesting. It'd be like that had to be CGI and I think there might be some reflection stuff. Mm, hmm, why is little things like that? But? But they tried to stay as practical as possible with a lot of the different things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that you know. Another Hollywood thing would be the visors, because the visors are tinted for fighter pilots. They're not going to go up there with clear visors. But then again you're not paying Tom Cruise a bunch of money to hide his face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we want to see that. Let's see those eyes. Yeah, that's, that's what good way and Trapid Thunder for me is. When they did a close up of his eyes, I was like, oh, that's like the mission impossible shot. And I was like that's Tom Cruise, that's Tom Cruise. How good is that person next to me. I was like that's Tom, did you know that, tom Cruise? And they're like, no, that's not. And I was like it is. Look at the eyes.
Speaker 1:Man. I was like go in the eyes Anytime, anytime somebody mentions that, that to me you know the part that I think of of his character. I'm afraid I want you to go over there and punch that director in the face, really f-ing hard Right when he hits everything. Oh fat I love that God so good. But yeah, so you know, it begs to start asking the question have we gotten to a point where there is some of this high spectacle Marvel movie fatigue?
Speaker 3:I would think that there is. There's a lot of that. I mean being in the different galaxies, whatnot, and having these people like it. It takes somebody like a Tom Cruise to be able to pull that off, because people want to be able to do it for like, insurance purposes, for the comfort and the ease of being able to do these things on a laptop, rather than pay the money to destroy something or to pay the money to go up and do something like that.
Speaker 3:I know Tarantino is all about doing things in camera and being able to see like what makes me think of death proof. When they did, there was no CGI and the way Bell was on the hood they were going 60, 70 miles an hour holding on with the belt, and so doing those things in camera and being able to do something like that is a skill itself and to me it always pays off. Being able to see like the real thing happening. They just one of those things that blurs the line. I know that it's Hollywood, but when we know that their lives are in danger to be able to get a shot for us to be entertained while we're eating popcorn, there's something so entertaining to see something like that. That's a modern day gladiator to me. They're putting their lives on the line for us to be entertained. Are we?
Speaker 1:not entertained. Very nice, take a drink. Yeah, and you know. Let's just mention how great Zoe Bell is in death proof.
Speaker 3:I mean she's so good at that. I mean they wrote a movie around that character just to show off the talents that she has and what she's capable of doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, long time. You know one of the top female stunt performers, one of the top stunt performers in the industry. I got the meter ones Did you really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I met her First time. I did Sundance. I volunteered there and they were doing because they were doing a re-screening of Reservoir Dogs. It was like 25 year, 30 year anniversary, and they were giving an award to Quentin and Zoe Bell was there as well, and so they were doing like a swary thing outside. So I went out there and there's free stuff, and there she was. So one of us was like hey, Zoe Bell, and she was like oh, I can't do the accent, but yeah, it was very nice. So it was great and it was great to see her later do death proof and and being able to see her yeah, yeah, well done.
Speaker 3:If you haven't seen death proof, well worth a watch really underrated, tarantino flick and one of the opinions I have about death proof is that if anybody else did that outside of Tarantino, it would be a masterpiece. People would look at that and be like they shot that practical and we're able to pull that off and be able to keep it in. It's like centered on the frame as that crash was happening. Oh, it was. It was so cool to be able to do something like that and, like I said, if it wasn't Tarantino, then that would be like top five masterpiece and people would be following those things, Like people love X right now, or tie tie West that did that movie X with Pearl and Maxine that's coming out so like a horror trifecta in a matter of a year and so they're talking about him being an art tour. But if he was to do something like a death proof, everybody would be like, oh, this is the next Tarantino kind of thing. So it's highly recommend going scene. Well, death proof, because I think it's streaming on HBO Max now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's well, well done. I mean everybody in that that film. I mean it's got probably the most visceral car accident I've ever seen in a movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you'll never. You will never ride in a car the same way after watching that. No, no, you will not.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'll, I'll say Yep. So yeah, the for a movie in 20, well, what 2019 probably is, when it was shot close to that, to be shot with just minimal, what I think is minimal. By today's thing yeah by today's standards, you know, post work is just incredible, and I think that was one of the things that that they wanted to go ahead and make sure that it was done like without that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's, that's part of the. The word of mouth is like oh yeah, tom Cruise really find the flying that stuff, or Tom Cruise and the actors were really up there. So when you have people talking in that way about a movie and everybody wants to go see that, what does that look like? And I think that has an appeal to it as well. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Again, because you know, like you mentioned, you know these, it's not the same as hanging off a car by belt, but I mean, every one of those actors is in a fighter plane, yeah, I mean it's all stunt work that they're doing, because that's just not something that you do every day.
Speaker 1:You don't go up in an F-18 every day. From a technical standpoint, really well done. One of the things that I don't think people who aren't fans of the original and I don't mean that don't like the original, but just know a ton about the original. You notice at the end in the credits you get an in memory of Tony Scott who directed the original Top Gun.
Speaker 1:My wife asked me who Tony Scott was, and so I explained to her. Ridley Scott's brother. Ridley Scott of Alien, fame Gladiator, just one of the great filmmakers Of all time. Well, Tony Scott struggled with some mental issues and actually committed suicide off the Golden Gate Bridge.
Speaker 3:I think he had gotten some news about cancer and didn't want to go through all of that process. Thought it was a death order by having cancer in his body and didn't see that there was an escape from there. Unfortunately, took it off to do something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so very sad, but worth mentioning that without his work on the original, there wouldn't have been a second one. There was talk with him involved as late as 2016,. 17, I think. But yeah, so it's a terrible thing. It's nice when somebody puts that up there, and it was something I wanted to mention in this is that when you see that a lot of us, if we don't know, I know, if I see something like that, I look up who the person is because I want to see exactly what they brought to whatever I'm looking at, and so it really needs to be mentioned that without there's many people, without Tom Cruise, without the actors in the first one, but the director, someone isn't getting made if the first one doesn't do what they all had a part in having it do.
Speaker 3:And I don't think it reaches as many people if this one doesn't pay homage to Tony Scott and his vision of that first one. So they're shooting in similar styles, like they're almost doing it as an extended arm of what Tony Scott would shoot it like. So that's the ultimate tribute to be able to do that and then to say in memory of it I think it was again. This whole thing seemed just reeked of class and respect for the way that they handled it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, 100%. So, going back to the film itself, you have that moment where Iceman does pass away and it's used as that point in the movie to where, okay, he's gone now and these admirals probably a long list who had tried to ground Maverick over the years one finally gets his opportunity to do that and so he does that. And the team is not ready. The date of the attack had to be pushed up because the target was going to be operational sooner than they thought and the timeframe with which they had to attack the target has been shrunk down and nobody's been able to hit that timeframe, you know. So, yeah, yeah, they're not even close.
Speaker 1:So you know, at that point, if they can't do it in the timeframe that needs to be, it's basically a suicide run. A suicide run, yeah, they might complete the mission, but you know people aren't coming back from it. Nobody is. So you know he ends up having a heart to heart with Penny, jennifer Connelly's character, and you know she tells him you know you'll find a way to get back in, you know, because he's mainly concerned about his team. It's not him. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because they're going to be bringing home some body bags and they might get the mission, and that's one of the miracles. There's two miracles of this. It's like you got to do this and you got to do that, and those are both miracles. To be able to do that and then to be able to survive on top of that, I mean that's even further miracle. And this was no one was coming back if they weren't able to do the prerequisites of what had to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you know it's just part of it. Hitting the target is one thing. Another thing is bringing people home, and that's a point they hit on at a certain point earlier in the film where Maverick is talking to the generals and he's like you know, we hit that target and then bring them home and nobody says anything. He goes and bring them home, sir, and so it's. You know, with anyone in the military, with fighter pilots, infantry, you know people who are on front lines of issues, it's understood that you know there's an inherent danger in the job you're doing and you may be asked to do something that does amount to a suicide mission.
Speaker 3:That comes with the title and that comes with what you sign up for. Unfortunately, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know that in the movie isn't just Hollywood lip service, you know. Again, as we often do here, straying off from the original point, you know one that sticks with me, just to illustrate you know why something like that is in there, and you know it's not just to give weight, but it is, you know, not something. These days that happens a lot, but during the attacks on 9-11, there were two pilots that were scrambled since it was such a surprise attack. These planes, when they're on the airfields in the States, are not armed with missiles guns. They don't keep them armed for security reasons, so it takes time to load armament on these vehicles.
Speaker 1:They had to scramble fighter jets to look for I believe it was Flight 93 that ultimately crashed in Pennsylvania and these they launched two fighter pilots and I don't remember their names, and it's bad that I don't, but look it up because it's just a story that is just to me unbelievable that you know that people literally put their lives on the line. They had to get the planes up. They didn't have time to load the armament on them and they sent them out to look for Flight 93 with the order to either, you know, force it down or, to you know, make sure it didn't get to DC. Basically bring the plane down. Well, how do you do that?
Speaker 1:How do you do that without weaponry? Well, the orders were one plane was to hit 93 in the front and one was to hit it in the back. Basically, ram it yeah and bring it down, or ram them yeah, and it absolutely is a real last resort. You know those pilots went up there knowing. You know, this is what I signed up for, you know so. Right has to do it Right, and you know to be in that position.
Speaker 1:Not only is it your life in your hands, but there's families on that plane that you're about to take down to save other lives. You know it's just some of these pressures that these men and women in the armed forces and I'm not talking about the movie, but in the armed forces you know some of these decisions that are made, and a lot of times made by people not in these, you know, fighting the actual fight, but by other people or just without getting political it's. You know there's a lot of people that put their life on the line. You know daily, you know, at the request of others or orders of others.
Speaker 1:So when that in the film is shown, I mean that yes, it's a movie, but I mean that's not something that is Hollywooded up. You know it's not something. You know to where you're asked to go ahead. And you know, I think the line in it was you know. You know they know the risks of being a military fighter pilot. So the Maverick, more than anything wants to bring that crew home, you know, wants to complete the mission. But the mission isn't complete until everybody's back.
Speaker 3:And especially because of Rooster and the legacy that he is living. And so if he's the one that goes up there, then Goose has gone forever, right, and so he. I mean he's even closer. He thinks of that guy as his responsibility, his son, because of what he did for with Goose, and so for him to be able to do something like that to try to protect him, he has a vested interest to be able to make sure that they come back, and in above ground way, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:And and it's talked about in the film, where the promises he made to Rooster's mom, yeah, you know how. You know. A secondary plot point is it wasn't just Goose's death that caused friction between Rooster and Maverick, which we didn't really touch on in the podcast. We jumped around, but you know there was a, there was a friction between those two and you just automatically assumed it was because Goose died on Maverick's watch, which it really, you know, is as much of a quote unquote Maverick as he was. It really wasn't his fault. What happened, you know it was something that he couldn't control and you automatically assume that the friction.
Speaker 3:The military saw that, yeah. Then they said that he did nothing wrong, he had no control over it, and so he was resolved of any wrongdoing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, In the military legalize.
Speaker 3:Right and so so, as but his son doesn't know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And he doesn't feel that way. No, not at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Rooster doesn't. You know, you just assume automatically that's where all the friction comes from. But Maverick beats himself up about it. You know, you, just you see it. You know in the photos that he carries and whatnot. But the the real point of contention was his mother Rooster's mother did not want her son in harm's way, right, and so His father, yeah, and he promised her that he would keep him safe. And the way he did it was by what they call in the film, pulling his papers. Of course, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, basically, you know sabotaging his career to keep him out of harm's way, and so that's the reason that you know a big part of the reason that there's a friction between the characters, and so Maverick has a choice to make when it comes down to, you know, getting back into into the mission of training those pilots. You know he essentially is as I say, steals an aircraft and runs the course and does it 30 seconds faster than need be.
Speaker 3:How it is supposed to be done. And how and faster, yeah, faster, and in one of those things that you know the proof is in the pudding and you could be talking about it the whole time, but if it's all talk until somebody actually does it, and so that gave them the confidence to be able to be like, oh, this is actually something that can be done, and the one person that can do it is this old captain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's teaching us. So now they have the ability to go ahead, and so he has to be brought back on. Yep.
Speaker 1:And and and Cyclone the admiral, he knows it, so he brings it back on. Except now he wants him to lead the team. He sees his value and how the others look at him and knows the importance. So now he has to pick his team and of that, as his wingman, he picks Rooster. So he takes everything you know that he's tried to do over the last 30 years of keeping this kid safe and puts him right in danger, but on his, on his wing, so he can watch over him as best he can.
Speaker 3:As close as he can, he put that egg in the basket. Yeah, and I'm gonna watch over this.
Speaker 1:Yep, and I think it's pretty safe to say that they make it to where, on paper, there was probably some questions about why it would be Rooster as a wingman, because of his flying style and and not being the fastest pilot out there in a mission, that where speed is paramount. So you know, yeah, this is where the movie it really, you know it almost has two endings. You know, when I saw it in the theater, you know, and you go and you hit the mission and you know the mission success flying around and then all hell breaks loose with all these surface air missiles. And there's a brilliant shot where there's all the radio traffic and there are the fighter jets coming and the fighter jets going every which way and there's all these surface to air missiles smoke trailing around. That shot is. I love that shot because it just with with the radio traffic and everything, you're just you feel the chaos and the pressure of what's going on. That's exactly what it is chaos.
Speaker 1:Life and death chaos.
Speaker 3:It is. It is a dogfight, Yep, and you don't know whose mouth is biting who, and you see it everywhere and you're just trying to cover your ass as best you can, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know, with the, the defense measures that those planes carry, they're limited. It's not a video game. You don't get unlimited. You know those, the flares that save you from those missiles are, you know they are finite. Yeah, and you do get that point in the movie where there's where Maverick basically sacrifices himself to go ahead and protect Rooster, and and so you know, the big buildup to the, to the end of the movie, is this mission.
Speaker 3:Well, that ain't the end after that mission, you know before we get into that did you think that Maverick died when that?
Speaker 1:happened. It definitely crossed my mind, you know. But you know there was, I was 50, 50. I was 50, 50 because it's it's a Tom Cruise movie. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it just. But what to go out? I mean passing off the to the next one.
Speaker 1:It. It was a fantastic shot too. I mean the way that that he went right up behind there. It was like they only I could think of, like guardian angel style yeah. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Where he just like it was phenomenal the flares going off and you know he eats one. So I'm saying that that was CGI. But then you get that you get that almost a tonal shift in the film, right there after that happens Turns into a buddy comedy. It's so good. It's so good because it's you know, you're on the edge of your seat with this, this mission. I mean just like white knuckling this thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, yeah, it's like you know you get some humor in there and whatnot and it just works, you know, cause it kind of lifts the pressure off a little bit and you know, you just get to, you're with them down there, like you know what's the plan. We're just making it up as we go and and I remember leaning over and saying F14.
Speaker 1:Yes, Because I remembered it from the Yep, so you know to see that playing back in action in there. It was fantastic the way they filmed all that the rescues, the near deaths in that part and the humor and the comedy. It just it all worked so well.
Speaker 3:I don't know, this is a PG 13 movie and they they used their 1F bomb. They used it very well. Uh-huh, yep, and it seemed like a genuine reaction. I know, I know you can see that, but I mean.
Speaker 1:No, you could in the eyes. When I watch that again, I see his eyes and the way he spins around rooster. When that, when that plane yeah, it basically hits the brakes in the air and does a U turn, yeah, it looks like it washed itself out. Yeah, what the? What the F was that yeah. So, good. It was well worth it. Oh yep Yep. Well placed, well done, you know. So everybody gets their moment too. Hangman, who wasn't selected as part of the team because he just couldn't function well in a team environment. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Ends up getting his his hero moment. Yep, you know.
Speaker 3:It would play as well. That's another one for him. He's not an ace, but he's got one more Meg.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, so good with, and you know, the entrance again you get that that boom, kind of that gong after he hits, he takes down that, that fighter, and then comes through the smoke. Yeah, so well done with the sound.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you think there's going to be some Oscars for this? Right, there's got to be some. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 3:Sound design, the mixing, especially with that number of of how much footage they they had. Yeah, they're going to have some of the technical Oscars for sure, but I would love to see some for best film. I mean it's the best film of the year for sure in my eyes, yeah, no it was Jake.
Speaker 1:It's been a long time since I've like I got to get back to the theater like the next day and watch this again.
Speaker 3:How cool was that? I mean, you're a kid again. Right you are, it's 86.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the first, the first movie that I that I was able to do that at, I remember was 1984 and it was Ghostbusters. I saw Ghostbusters two days in a row. It was the first time I was ever able to do that and and just marveled at it.
Speaker 3:Love it so much yeah.
Speaker 1:But you know you get into that where you know they end up making it back after some some other setbacks onto the carrier and there's, there's a little more fan service. It buzzes the tower they don't call it out that way, no, but anybody who's a fan of it knows exactly and you felt it coming. But if you know, you know Exactly, exactly and it it felt so good and well placed right there, not overused, yeah, then you get into the. You know the. You know it gets me every time. It gets me every time I see it. You know where he's going to cry folks, yeah, yeah, it gets me almost every time I watch it.
Speaker 1:It does when you know they have that moment Rooster and and Maverick in, you know, in the intimate territory where he's like he goes I saved your life. You know what. What are you doing here? I saved your life. You know I saved your life, so that you yeah, so they're going back and forth about that and you know back on the carrier, you get that to where Maverick tells Rooster, thank you for saving my life, and then Rooster says it's what my dad would have done.
Speaker 3:So good that was so good, so good. Right back to that so good.
Speaker 1:You know, and that's, that's the whole movie. Yeah, you know, right there, you know, you know Maverick coming to terms with and actually realizing it wasn't him that had to do it all. You know, he he was. He was able to go ahead and trust Rooster someone else, and then it happened to be Rooster was just even more. You know, I mean that there was a bridge built at that point and it it. It really, you know, brought the whole movie right to that point and it was. It was so well done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I hit you in the feels. It really lets you know that there's. It's great to be able to trust him, because he hasn't been able to trust anybody since Goose Even himself. Oh yeah, yeah. And so I mean he had that like Toy Story 3 moment where they just accepted their fate. Like he accepted his fate, and it was like Lieutenant Dan and Forest Gunfrey he's like, yeah, you cheated me. Yep, he did me out of the death that I saw coming and knew was going to happen. Yeah, so it was almost like that moment for for Maverick, but he lives to see another day and a better day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, and, and. You saw it too. When roosters saved him and shot down that helicopter, you saw, the look on Maverick's face is like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:You know cause he knew who it was, he was yeah, and, and you know, Lucky us we got to see the, the patented Tom Cruise sprint. Yes, yep, oh yes, in full fighter pilot gear In snow. Yes, this and move, yep, he loves showing it off. Well, he's the best at it, the best, the best.
Speaker 1:He is the best Tom Cruise runner ever.
Speaker 3:Well, it can make or break careers, you're right. Yeah, no, it's great, well, could not do it Right?
Speaker 1:You are Again the stuff. Like you know and I assume there's a few people or a few of the people listening to this that that understand us when we're saying, picking out stuff like that you mentioned Tom Cruise is the best frantic runner ever. I've never heard it described that way, but that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 3:I learned that by watching the firm yes, yes, feed up the Quaker.
Speaker 1:Oatsman Yep Yep.
Speaker 3:And then he was just running in those dress shoes, yep, like I mean his hair was on fire, and so after that I really started to pay attention. And he does it so well in the Mission Impossibles. I mean it's it's gotta be in his contract, just like Brad, he has to run.
Speaker 1:When I'm glad he does, because he does do it well. Whatever, I'm glad they both do that and he dialed it up a bit because, like you said, he was doing it in snow. Yeah, yeah, so all gear, yeah. And again, just an example of Tom Cruise, the movie star. Tom Cruise, just you know, 110% all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and even with the run he'd break in his ankle in the Mission Impossible. I mean he breaks it and then has to run on his broken ankle to get out of the frame for the shot. And he did it. It's that that's an immediate stop. Any other time, I mean even Jackie Chan stopped when he broke his ankle jumping from building to building but Tom Cruise kept going because he had to clear the shot so they could. It was a usable piece of footage. To run on a broken ankle out of the screen, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's what you mean. He goes back to your gladiator statement that you know there's this guy just leaving it all out there. You know, like, what he does in his personal life, or not? Yeah, he just lives to make film.
Speaker 3:Yeah, as a professional as a professional.
Speaker 1:The guy is second to none with what he puts, what he leaves on the screen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and and totally respectful of the people and the team that are doing that and setting the guidelines, because there is I mean, TMZ has some outburst of Tom Cruise on set or yelling at people or things like that. One of them was before top gun. He's like this the people are watching what we are doing because we're shooting through this COVID and if we fail, that could be the entire industry is failing with us. So we have to do the standards, we have to wear the mask, we have to do all these things and have this be successful, Otherwise this entire the theaters, the, the studios, all these things come crashing down because they're watching us. Do this Right and with that responsibility, we have to take it serious and we have to do the things that we have to do Now, the things we want to do, the things that we have to do for for everybody else, not just us.
Speaker 1:Yep, and and if you don't, you're gone and you're out the door. Yeah, no matter who you are. Yep, and it's, it's a you know there's. It's more of a serviceable output outburst right, could have been handled better maybe, but it was probably heat at the moment.
Speaker 3:And, but in a different way, different results. Yeah you're right as I know. I know these are the rules, whatever I mean. Somebody comes at you like that and don't don't say that you're out, your job is on the line. Oh, it's me Smitty, you know it's cool. I'm just out here having a smoke. It's no big deal.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, a total different outburst than you see, with maybe the Christian bailout burst for the boom mic being shot for the lights, something like that. Good for you. A classic outburst. Yep, yeah, I remember that one. I think that was on the set of Terminator, wasn't it? Was it? Yeah, no salvation for that one. No, that was something else. It would have been better if he'd have done it Patrick Bateman style.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that was a more calm way of talking about it.
Speaker 1:One of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 3:Yes, this is a raincoat and this is an ass God.
Speaker 1:And Phil Collins playing in the background.
Speaker 3:The studio. What favorites God? Oh geez, that was directed by a female, by the way. So a lot of people talk about how violent things are from the male perspective. That was done by a female. The.
Speaker 1:American psycho was, and that's exactly what that film I mean. A truer title could never have been. Oh for sure, Aside from the fact that Christian Bales not American, but his character was.
Speaker 3:They do American better than some Americans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that yeah. The Patrick Bateman is one of the great psychopaths of all time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's way up there and I can't put many other fictional psychos like him other than psycho.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Um, that's that scene in there with the business cards. Oh yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3:You know what that is? That's Bump. Oh my God, Business card is better than mine.
Speaker 1:Yep, love that scene. Um, but, yeah, outburst aside, you know, top Gun, one of the things we haven't even gotten into is a way, um, aside from just describing the opening of the movies, the way that the music's used, yeah, you know, with Harold Fultemeyer's original score is fused in with Hans Zimmer, one of the things that the score was brought in and you know, as a frequent subject of this podcast, you'll notice that you have Lady Gaga with a score credit, love it. So you know, not just, um, uh, withhold my hand the theme from the film as Tom Cruise described it as the heart of the film. He said he was looking for a song for a long time. They couldn't really find anything and, um, he was sent that and, you know, decided that that was it. But she actually has a score credit. Uh, worked closely with Hans Zimmer on the score.
Speaker 3:So, um, you know that just, yeah, one of those things with once the song and she was a part of that. I mean I mean you, you know Lady Gaga, I mean we've covered a little bit, uh, so so for her to have that, and then Hans Zimmer hearing that and like, well, we can use that in the score and the different scenes before, so you can, once you know the song and hear it. You can hear it throughout the movie, mm, hmm, and Tom Cruise. So being able to wield that and have that underlying the whole time is also another thing that gives a strong connection and and and bonds there. The Jennifer Connelly and Tom Cruise and that, and I thought I thought they had great chemistry and good timing and they've been pros since they were kids for years and this is the first movie they got to do together. Yeah, so that was you hear that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they, they. Their chemistry was was phenomenal, Uh, incredible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she so good, yeah, and hair and the fashion and everything. And I did notice that Penny was driving a Porsche. And, uh, the same thing with Charlie. She was driving a Porsche too.
Speaker 1:Yep, there's some similarities there, yeah absolutely, um, you know, going uh I don't know if I told you this when I was out in uh, las Vegas and at the end of April, beginning of May, and I did catch uh, Lady Gaga's Jazz and Piano show out there it was two days before Hold my Hand was released, oh, really, and it was her last jazz and P, her last show in Vegas, uh, before she was going to hit the do the chromatic ball tour. Yeah, and I didn't know it at the time, but I saw afterwards on Instagram Tom Cruise was there, oh, at the show. Yeah, she posted a picture with him backstage. Yeah, I didn't know it. Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was uh, that was pretty cool. I wish I'd have known it, but I could have gone up there and got laid out by his security.
Speaker 3:And what a story, or maybe, himself.
Speaker 1:Maybe he would have punched me out. You know he likes doing that, that action work himself. Why would you do? That.
Speaker 3:So he sprayed water on it. Why? Would you do? That.
Speaker 1:Oh, but uh yeah, it's just everything, so that's fun.
Speaker 3:I mean, I mean you're, you got quite some charisma going on there, so you could have been buddy buddy with them, or laid out, or laid out. Either way it's a story, it is definitely a story and I I would love to hear that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, the the, the whole, the whole film. It could have went from something that was just, uh, the cash grab route to the super serious route that was overthought and just didn't work, didn't capture the spirit of the original. Um, you know again one of those, one of those lightning in a bottles that were the sequel. I don't know what. You know my take on it. What's your take? Was it a better film, more enjoyable than the first one?
Speaker 3:Well, I definitely saw it more in the theater this time, um, and from my perspective, I, as, as an older person, I've I've gone through like so many different films and I've turned into kind of a cramudgeon when it comes to films these days I absolutely loved it and loved the not only the nostalgia but the new things that they brought to it. So, um, it's, it's tough for me to say that it was better than the first one, just because of the deep roots that I have. I mean, that was something that I've I've probably watched over a hundred times, um, but I'm, I'm, I'm climbing on this new one up in the dozen area, um, but I would, I would have to say that it it just upholds the top gun standard. All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's fair, that's fair. Um, yeah, you, you to have that to where there's no drop off. And again, the ultra impressive 36 year gap that it resonated with a completely different generation. Yeah. You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean, yeah, to be able to pull something like that off, like you said, that's unprecedented. We haven't seen anything like that before. No, and I'm I'm struggling to try to find a comparison because there isn't one.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, it just it's. It's absolutely insane how well that worked. Some deep-rooted, deep-meaning film. But we all went in with expectations and I think, for me, when I see something like this that I enjoyed, I want to share with my kids or friends that maybe aren't the Top Gun aficionados that we are.
Speaker 3:You just hope you know, at least I do you just hope that it's not a steaming pile, yes, and there was huge expectations and for this to exceed those expectations from all the fanboys out there that love the original Top Gun and going in there with their arms crossed and just waiting for it to mess up which we're so used to do as armchair experts when it comes to the Internet and seeing all these things and for us to go in there ready just to rip it apart because it's so easy to do these days and it's back into like kids that we were so just looking at the positive and for them to get our arms uncross and to be welcoming it again is a testament to all the effort and the patience that it took for them to so easily just dump it into a streaming, get the cash grab.
Speaker 3:We got the mind that we did and we're moving on, but to take the responsibility of like no, this is a tent pole movie that's going to bring the industry back and to stay with it. Just making a movie like that and knowing how good it is or what you feel, for two years before you release it I mean just having that secret and not having being able to tell people. I couldn't imagine being able to do that.
Speaker 1:No, especially in.
Speaker 3:Hollywood, yeah, and just sitting there and and everybody talking, talking crap about it the whole time, we're like, well, they're pushing it back because it's no good. This is not a good sign. The whole time, pushback, pushback, pushback. We're like, well, if it's a good movie, you want to release it as soon as possible. That's something that I'm taking away from is like that's not always the case.
Speaker 1:No, this rewrote the rules right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it knew the rules, and so did the enemy, and we throw them right in the trash.
Speaker 1:The yeah it. You know what I take away from it is it just as cliche and and I promise I didn't write this down ahead of time, but it just off the top of my head, you know it makes me think is this is one of those films where I I genuinely what I love about the movies. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I do I just, you know, absolutely you know, just being in there with a crowd, the anticipation makes it even makes it all the more worth sitting through the 35 minutes of commercials and previews before you get to the actual film. Yeah. But yeah, I just honestly, the last time I had anywhere near you know, when the credit started to roll, that the feeling of this was maybe Avengers Endgame would have been it, because I saw it opening night with a packed theater. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So you had a lot of that, that feeling that you did here, which exactly, exactly it was, just it was you could feel from that, that crowd that was really diverse in in Top Gun you had you know people, you know 60s, 50s, all the way down to the teenagers. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And when people applaud at a movie, especially when there's nobody involved in the film in the audience and they're never going to hear that applause, that's when you know you have something, because it's not, it's not something you just hand out. That is the most earned applause, I think, that can ever be delivered, because there's nobody on the receiving end of it.
Speaker 3:That's absolutely true. I mean, you know that they're not going to hear it or see it, but you just have to show appreciation for something so well done and it makes me think when you're you're saying like, think back to when something like that happened. There's two things that comes up One, you and Phantom Menace. It couldn't be contained.
Speaker 3:It was the same thing as just like us going back to like it was so excited that you can't contain yourself and me back when I saw Rocky like the first time and you're done watching it and you go run outside for no reason. Yeah, you just run in.
Speaker 1:Which is interesting. Can you say that because you know you're who. Who was a guy I called when I was running up the the the steps in Philadelphia at the Art Museum? Me, yes, yes, yeah, I mean it was just one of those things that I'm like hey, guess where I am Showed you around, you know Rocky steps.
Speaker 3:Yeah, run up the steps. Yep Ran him with me. I felt like I was there with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it was so great because you know again, just, you know, the purpose for this podcast is just to go ahead and just relive some of this stuff and just talk about these things. That may not mean a lot to other people, but it's just an escape and to go back to those times where you remember seeing these films or you remember a line from a movie, or you remember this or that. When I was in Philadelphia, there were a couple of places I wanted to go. One was the Art Museum to do that, do the steps, and I wasn't alone. It was a crappy cold day in December and there were 50 people that were doing this. Wow, just on it. It was like a Thursday or something. Yeah, you know. Like four o'clock in the afternoon, yeah, it just affects people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I wanted to go to the diner. From Silver Linings Playbook oh yeah. Did they shot that? Did you use some? Rates. Yeah, and at that diner I think I sent you those pictures there's a little plaque at the booth that that scene was shot in. So I did get to go ahead to both, get to both of those places. But you know it's just a movie.
Speaker 3:And that's what film. That's exactly what it is. It's a way to celebrate these things in our lives that a lot of people have forgotten about. And we live these mundane lives that there's not much excitement, especially during a pandemic that we've been going through. We've just been beat up for two years straight of not being able to do things, and then this comes along and it shakes our cage and now we have this energy to be able to do something like that, and I think this is an example of that which has shaken us out of our mundane lives and gives us the passion that we once had before 100 percent, 100 percent and anytime you can connect with a film in any way that goes ahead and just resonates with you, that you don't forget.
Speaker 1:Because, as I've often said, you know, I think the worst thing that a movie can do, even beyond being bad, is being forgettable. Yeah, you know what I mean. To where it's just a. You know, I think I saw that movie. Or you leave and you're just kind of like you shrug your shoulders and you're off back to your life. It didn't touch you, it didn't make you feel anything.
Speaker 3:No, and that with this movie this is the analogy that I think of is the best hit you ever had in golf and it's what brings you back. Yeah, Like being in this movie is what brings me back and I want to try to experience this again.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and I'll tell you what else that it does. It's so weird, is? I do not want to see a third one.
Speaker 3:No, I don't either. I mean, this is exactly how I would like it to end and I have these experiences and I don't want them to be soiled. And a lot of times that happens with a sequel that comes out, it almost ruins the first one. Yeah, so you're absolutely correct. I didn't even think about that. But when you're saying it and you say a top gun, three rooster, it makes me cringe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no way. Even if Tom Cruise comes back, I don't want another one. No, thank you, I ended so perfectly. But you know, the money truck is filled. Tom Cruise owns money, trucks Right, he doesn't need to do this for money, right, and if he put it off for 36 years, I don't think that he's in any huge hurry to have to do it again.
Speaker 3:No, there's no way so. I think people are long and they're going to be throwing. They're going to be kicking some scripts his way for sure, but I would hope that he would not do something like that. Like I said, this enough is enough and this is more than enough.
Speaker 1:In a good way In a great way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so well, jake, I do appreciate your time, as always. I know that you know at the time we're recording this it's a late one, but it's you know, for when we get into these film discussions I always love getting your take on this because I know as much of a fan I am from movies, from an entertainment just strictly fan side. I know that your knowledge of what goes on and what it takes to make the film is really valuable and I appreciate the input that you have because I mean, that's kind of my little window into how things work on the other side. So I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3:Oh, of course, I love throwing it in your face as much as possible.
Speaker 1:Well, glad you worked that in.
Speaker 3:No, I always love talking films with you and being able to catch up with you, and so, yeah, the time just breezes by because we're just talking here and just telling it like we feel, and so it's really appreciated that you asked me to do this, because I love this movie and I could tell that you did as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, yeah, thank you, and it won't be so long before you're on again, if you, if you're so inclined.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, looking forward to it. I got. I got the goods. Thanks a lot. All right, Talk to you later.
Speaker 1:That is the last part of our epic three part discussion on the film Top Gun Maverick. And, as you can see, I really enjoy talking films, music, entertainment in general with my buddies and it makes it really easy to go and just relieve the stress of everyday life. You just get lost in things that that you enjoy and you can have a discussion without the outside interference of things that may stress, stress us each out. You know, for some people it's politics, for some people it's who knows? But one thing that most of us can agree on is that we like entertainment, we like what we like and we happen to be big fans, as I mentioned, of movies and TV shows and just that kind of entertainment in general. So I really appreciate having Jake on and being able to go ahead and just have that outlet and share it with you.
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